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A plea to alley directors
« on: September 29, 2006, 01:21:37 PM »

I hope this is the right place to put this, but to those who either run artists alleys now, and those who are looking to do so in the future, i was just wanting to address a couple issues that affect me and other artists in the alley that i hope y'all might take into consideration while drafting rules for artists alleys...


I've been seeing that occasionally people who have tables in artists alley have a monitor setup and run videos, games, and stuff on them.. Its one thing if its say, something they had created and are selling dvds or something, or are drawing, and have a monitor showing what they're doing, but its wholly different to be running like, commerical video games and episodes of anime & cartoons and such that they didn't create...

I was stuck next to some folks whio've done this at a convention once (i['ve seen em before at a lot of cons), and its near impossible to do any real business while next to them. People who just come through to browse the alley (which the majority of people tend to do at alleys) don't want to cut through a stagnant crowd who's watching some others play games or watch toons.. that time i swapped tables with someone to be closer to some friends i was crewin with, and traffic flowed normally and sales went back up to normal. the opposite held true for the follks i had swapped spaces with >.
Promoting work by using methods that are highly distruptive for other sellers, (espeically things that they did not create themselves) is very inconsiderate towards others, and that stuff really belongs in the dealers room/fan tables, not in the artists alleys.. or at the very least, at a table thats far enough from everyone else as not to ruin other artists business and traffic :\

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while on the subject of disruption and consideration of those around eachother, i might as well make mention of the music...

It kinda stinks when even folks play music at their tables too.. though it might attract customers, maybe keep the artist occupied during their long spans in the alley, but other artists have to sit around them and their music all day, and it really gets on artists nerves. and its rare that the person who plays the music complies to requests to "turn it down" without creeping up the volume again, and often catching an attitude after being asked repeatedly to turn it back down >.
as much as i would like to play some of my music, i am aware that not everyone has the same tastes and musical preferences, and though a passerby may not mind it during the short while they'e at my table, the folks surrounding me will be stuck hearing it all weekend.
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Re: A plea to alley directors
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2006, 01:33:11 PM »

Speaking for myself (and I'm sure Hightower will agree) we are taking a harder stance on the music issue....especially at A-kon in 2007.

I pretty much have initiated a policy where you get ONE chance to turn your music down.  If you get a second complaint, then the radio is removed and you must take it up to your room. 

We may not be quite as hard-core at Onicon and Ikkicon, but we are still helping them develop their artist and media alleys.

On the aspect of the videos, that is something that no one has ever brought to my attention.  Although, I do have to agree and have had issues with it myself...at AnimeExpo we were trying to escort Hide (the singer) across the floor and ran into a huge crowd blocking the path as they watched people play a video game.

I think I will add that into my questionaire and if someone is going to have that type of set up, they will be placed on the back row, where there is enough space to avoid issues.  Animefest set up that massive screen and video games playing on it and it drew lots of attention, but did not cause problems on the back row.

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Re: A plea to alley directors
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2006, 02:28:03 PM »

Quote from: Steven Heinrich on September 29, 2006, 01:33:11 PM
Speaking for myself (and I'm sure Hightower will agree) we are taking a harder stance on the music issue....especially at A-kon in 2007.

I pretty much have initiated a policy where you get ONE chance to turn your music down.  If you get a second complaint, then the radio is removed and you must take it up to your room. 

We may not be quite as hard-core at Onicon and Ikkicon, but we are still helping them develop their artist and media alleys.

On the aspect of the videos, that is something that no one has ever brought to my attention.  Although, I do have to agree and have had issues with it myself...at AnimeExpo we were trying to escort Hide (the singer) across the floor and ran into a huge crowd blocking the path as they watched people play a video game.

I think I will add that into my questionaire and if someone is going to have that type of set up, they will be placed on the back row, where there is enough space to avoid issues.  Animefest set up that massive screen and video games playing on it and it drew lots of attention, but did not cause problems on the back row.

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yeh, well, i never had any of these problems firsthand at last year's A*kon, but the problems arose in force at a couple other conventions i've been to (AWA had one table that was running a Naruto game, and I didn't browse the tables ajdacent to them because there were constantly crowds of playing, watching them play, and sitting around, and i'd have to step through this mob to get to the table.. it never let up til they broke down ther setup for the night, and by then..  I felt sorry for the artists who were stuck next to that table, they had like, NO traffic :\

Still, its one thing if they were promoting something they created (like an original animation or something *they* created.. i've seen some artists point a monitor outward so people can watch them draw, and they've been very cool with it, and taken other artists into consideration), but its another to run games or eps. of Drawn Together and junk to get attention.. (and even then they're *still* not really paying attention to the art being sold at the table).. I'm kinda thinking, artist alley=artists selling their own art/creations, not artists alley=mini game tourneys/video rooms


anywhoo, just made the post as a general mention.. hopefully some other directors and such'll run across this, and thanks for your response on this.. i was kinda feeling awkward bringing up the issue Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2006, 03:07:26 PM »

This drove me nuts at Katsucon.  There was always one guy playing Anime Music videos during business hours (which Katsu was not a 24 hr) and not only could you hear it all the way on the other side of the alley but you completely lost the ability to connect with your customers.  I have no problem showing videos after hours.  It's just when I'm trying to sell and someone interested in buying gets distracted by the video going on next to me and I therefore lose a sale, well then.  Yeah.

Now music, I have no problem with partially because I'm biased in the music area.  I'm a composer, my comic has a soundtrack... My studio has another artist who incredibly talented musically and one of his main products is selling.  But there are ways around blaring music to get people to buy.  Just haven't a portable cd player with earphones that they can pop a cd in and listen to works as well.  But you still have to have it playing if you essentially want your customers to be aware that the cd is even there.  Yes, it's a matter of attention and I totally agree with the volume rule.  You should only be able to hear the musical goodness from standing right in front of your table.  Other than that I find it just plain rude.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2006, 03:26:33 PM »

This drove me nuts at Katsucon.  There was always one guy playing Anime Music videos during business hours (which Katsu was not a 24 hr) and not only could you hear it all the way on the other side of the alley but you completely lost the ability to connect with your customers.  I have no problem showing videos after hours.  It's just when I'm trying to sell and someone interested in buying gets distracted by the video going on next to me and I therefore lose a sale, well then.  Yeah.

Yes! i was stuck dead next to that guy on the first day :p . It was awful and he wasn't very considerate of others..
thank god i was able to swap locations..

i definately understand the dilemma of the music thing if its some work you did.. its your work and you're trying to sell it.. its just the ones who are blaring stuff they found on limewire incessantly over the day thats just.. ugh...
like how you mentioned.. theres other ways around it that are not invasive to other artists Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2006, 05:55:19 PM »

At Otakon, I was next to these three... (four... eight?) people, primarily girls, with a HUGE fangirl tendency towards Dark-Sora from kingdom hearts. And everytime A KH character walked past us, they would demand that the person sing "beautiful soul" for an undisclosed prize (a dinky little red heart sticker that the girls made while bored at the table). Besides the fact that they had NO tact, they scared away customers in general and NEVER STOPPED SINGING. Everything from Mulan songs to that thrice-damned KH song.

I've never played KH, and I know the song now. CURSED! I'm CURSED!

But anyway, I asked them politely to keep it down to socially acceptable levels, but they refused, and Rachel Anne, the coordinator, couldn't do anything about it either. I was so glad when they left Satudray afternoon... but the damage had been done. >.>
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2006, 09:40:42 AM »

When I was working for SJG, I was at DragonCon and the booth around the corner from mine was...

GWAR

Needless to say, a compromise was so very much needed.  Fortunately, GWAR is comprised of some of the coolest people in the universe and we were able to work out a time schedule for them to do the music and then silence so I could run my promotions and such. 

I realize that this is probably a HUGE stretch, but would it be possible to have the AV type artists in a sector of AV stuff, so that they can promote themselves, but not be disruptive to other artists?

As for music/TV/etc, I'm completely with you there.  I have very eclectic tastes and they usually do not include large amounts of JPop - which seems to be the music of choice at Anime cons (Gee. I. Wonder. Why. ).  I hate having to listen to it day in, day out, while trying to override it by having to discreetly scream at my customers.  I lose my voice too easily at cons as is. 
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Re: A plea to alley directors
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2006, 07:27:33 AM »

6 PM-8 PM seemed to be when there was the most traffic though (at oni con, anyway) I haven't been to enough to know the general traffic hour..but yea..the people playing anime was abit annoying. Hopefully the rule works out well hightower =3
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2006, 09:11:05 AM »

The ikkicon guys at Oni-Con had it right. Their videogame display was out and away from the rest of the people, giving everyone adequate portions of everyone's peripheral vision.
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 01:45:16 PM »

I know that a lot of conventions are setting up a convention alley, a media gallery, or something similar in order to keep the more disruptive tables away from the artists.
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